tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post7267415709201390448..comments2024-01-02T18:05:23.666-06:00Comments on Streak's Blog: Church and this warStreakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443433745929880701noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-59703439306290667012007-10-09T09:42:00.000-05:002007-10-09T09:42:00.000-05:00Dammit Streak, I am too civil! As well. Also. Or...Dammit Streak, I am too civil! As well. Also. Or something. Not that I am overly or excessively civil, mind you, just that I try to engage others in a respectful fashion. That.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps it might also be said that I might swear more than your average SBC pastor, but I think I might have learned at least some of those words in confirmation class. Damn liberal UCC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-84399091272525025462007-10-09T08:14:00.000-05:002007-10-09T08:14:00.000-05:00Tony, you are always welcome here. We probably sw...Tony, you are always welcome here. We probably swear more than your SBC buddies, but I do think we usually engage with civility. Except for Ubub, of course. :)Streakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443433745929880701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-70591236703554799312007-10-08T15:26:00.000-05:002007-10-08T15:26:00.000-05:00I am sure he understands--probably all too well. S...I am sure he understands--probably all too well. Some of the same concerns I have probably sparked his thinking for that article. But I do wish there was an answer to the Catch 22. <BR/><BR/>I suspect that you are right in your assessment. Even most pastors do not want their beliefs challenged--or even questioned. Comfort and complacency is the rule for American conservative Christianity. <BR/><BR/><I>the one person here who is universally respected.</I><BR/><BR/>I appreciate that; I really do. I have taken off from blogging for a bit. After being ignored a few times and run down on a couple of other blogs for points that really aren't that significant, I tire of always proving cases to closed-minded Southern Baptists. <BR/><BR/>In an email exchange with selahV I told her I longed for a conversation with Streak because at least he wants to really dialogue and discover any given side to a particular issue.<BR/><BR/>I find it amazing that I receive more respect for my beliefs here than I do at those who ought to be my closest compatriots. Absolutely amazing. For that, I owe you and your readers a debt of gratitude.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-47090336316067279562007-10-08T14:10:00.000-05:002007-10-08T14:10:00.000-05:00Tony, Remember, the guy who wrote this is also a p...Tony, <BR/><BR/>Remember, the guy who wrote this is also a pastor, so I think he understands. I think most of us do. I think the issue you raise about needing to care for your kids is a very real and legitimate issue, btw.<BR/><BR/>Really, I see this as less a critique of pastors than a critique of churches in that people often go to a particular church for reasons different than they tell themselves. Many, I suspect, want to feel their beliefs reinforced and repeated and reflected back on them, more than they want to be challenged by any actual theology. <BR/><BR/>Like I said in the post and previously, I think you are the one person here who is universally respected.Streakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443433745929880701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-12022122983973591002007-10-08T13:55:00.000-05:002007-10-08T13:55:00.000-05:00I wouldn't disagree with this article; matter of f...I wouldn't disagree with this article; matter of fact, its pretty close to accurate. <BR/><BR/>I admit, I struggle with this kind of stuff. It makes me question my own call to the ministry, because most people dislike me simply because of the title. <BR/><BR/>And yeah--I have cowered before costly discipleship. I have not spoken up when I should have. Things are a lot different though when ministry is your livelihood and you have five children to care for.<BR/><BR/>I wish I knew the answer to that one. It makes me long for other work simply so that I can follow Jesus, even when there is a greater cost exacted, one that the folks I serve wouldn't then vote with their feet and my family wouldn't be jeopardized.<BR/><BR/>The article stated that preachers are what's wrong with the world. He's probably right. But this kind of stuff they don't teach in seminary.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.com