tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post7550517183311648999..comments2024-01-02T18:05:23.666-06:00Comments on Streak's Blog: Bush's faith/zealStreakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443433745929880701noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-9569862642477992292009-08-11T11:06:52.723-05:002009-08-11T11:06:52.723-05:00I believe that the Gog/Magog achieved prominence i...I believe that the Gog/Magog achieved prominence in the eschatology due to some Scottish preachers who elevated this and other rather obscure passages in the late 18th and early 19th century. A really good book on this is Paul Boyer's <i>When Time Shall Be No More</i> which traces this kind of "end times" theology through American history into the 20th century. Great book.Streakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443433745929880701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-45654535109528603242009-08-10T18:26:30.640-05:002009-08-10T18:26:30.640-05:00Lazy, in the sense that the author seemed to make ...Lazy, in the sense that the author seemed to make some huge leaps of faith. Yes, the media has done worse, which probably explains why most people don't trust them.<br /><br />I am kind of agnostic on this one, too. I have read the OT, but I had to look up Gog and Magog. Pretty out there, IMO.steveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862590608695420004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-13447552744841863012009-08-10T18:22:50.755-05:002009-08-10T18:22:50.755-05:00I'm agnostic about what Bush actually said, bu...I'm agnostic about what Bush actually said, but I have a very hard time imagining a sane and appropriate context for references to Gog and Magog between heads of state.leightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07821884432248870789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-35535996790777002152009-08-10T18:09:28.091-05:002009-08-10T18:09:28.091-05:00Not terribly convinced that lazy reporting is the ...Not terribly convinced that lazy reporting is the issue here. Our media has reported far less cited stuff before. <br /><br />We need more information here, no doubt. What is interesting about rumors like this about Bush is that so often they have proven to be true, and that he ran his administration in such a way that this doesn't sound that unbelievable. Had his father been the one saying it, it would have sounded completely unbelievable. But not so much with this one.Streakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443433745929880701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-17351987085295765542009-08-10T17:40:17.973-05:002009-08-10T17:40:17.973-05:00As much as I could believe Bush saying weird stuff...As much as I could believe Bush saying weird stuff, this is an example of lazy reporting at it's worst. This was reported a while ago and there seems to be good reason that the MSM didn't pick up on this.<br /><br />According to the <a href="http://sedulia.blogs.com/sedulias_translations/2009/05/chirac-asks-theologian-to-explain-george-w-bushs-reference-to-gog-and-magog-early-2003.html" rel="nofollow">original article</a>, it sounds like hearsay within hearsay. The person reporting on the comment was not even a party to the conversation, nor was the person he heard it from. The new book quoting Chirac may offer better confirmation, but I would still be interested in exactly what he said.steveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862590608695420004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5397103.post-2854995508254643342009-08-10T14:24:44.647-05:002009-08-10T14:24:44.647-05:00I know there are many who share Bush's alleged...<i>I know there are many who share Bush's alleged beliefs here, but the thought that a world leader would send his people to war based on a contested reading of an ancient prophecy is mind boggling.</i><br /><br />"Contested" is kind; I would have said "batshit crazy." :)leightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07821884432248870789noreply@blogger.com