"I keep telling people that it's not about them, that it's about us. That it doesn't matter if the guy at Guantanamo is a monster - that if we torture him, we become monsters too. People who argue for torture always talk as if we aren't really there - as if the criminal is there, the monster, and torture is there, a fate that isn't underserved, and which might bring forth some useful information.
The problem, of course, is that we are there, and the practice of torture changes us. Approving of it changes us, carrying it out changes us, to become the sort of people who approve of torture means, in a sense, that the country we love so much has passed from the scene."