News accounts and transcripts at the time show Bush arguing against delay. Asked on Sept. 13, 2002, about Democrats who did not want to vote until after the U.N. Security Council acted, Bush said, "If I were running for office, I'm not sure how I'd explain to the American people -- say, 'Vote for me, and, oh, by the way, on a matter of national security, I think I'm going to wait for somebody else to act.' "
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Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary at the time, said Daschle had pressed Bush over the summer to bring the matter to Congress but for consultation, not necessarily a vote. Bush decided to seek a vote authorizing force, Fleischer said. "It was definitely the Bush administration that set it in motion and determined the timing, not the Congress," he said. "I think Karl in this instance just has his facts wrong."But I hope every time this sleaze opens his mouth, America remembers that Bush didn't mind the Cleland stuff, or the Plame stuff. Every time Rove lied or broke the law, or did something despicable, Bush cheered. That is the kind of man we have in office.
Former White House chief of staff Andrew H. Card Jr. was asked on MSNBC yesterday about Rove's comments but told only that Rove asserted Democrats pushed Bush into war. Card laughed and said that "sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain."
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Q -- How do you know Rove is lying?
A -- His lips are moving.
Clearly the Democrats were moving his lips in their undue haste for him to speak.
I am thankful that the Dems don't have a history of dishonesty. It is so refreshing ; )
Rove is very creepy, but on the issue of the war, the Dems, for the most part, haven't shown that much courage. The last election gave them a great opportunity to take a stand and most haven't. This is no way takes away blame from Bush or his cronies, but do you honestly believe the Dems did (or are doing) all the could or should? There are some that seem to be trying, but many others just seem to be trying to play both sides.
I don't doubt that the democrats could have done more. They have been in a difficult position. They try to stop the war and Bush vetos and calls them traitors.
True, but they seem to have squandered the mandate they had from the last election. Like many voters, I was (am) frustrated, but there doesn't seem to be many alternatives.
Are you satisfied with what the Democrats have done? If not, what do you think they should have done?
Am I satisfied? No, but I am also sympathetic. The politics of this situation are not very good and Bush/Rove have made that clear. Personally, I think they have misinterpreted (with the help of the MSM) bad poll numbers for congress. I think people want them to stand up to Bush, but it is hard to see that for sure.
I am far more unsatsified with the Republicans. They have refused to stand up to Bush in any meaningful way, and that is just one way that they have foiled the Democrats.
I also find it unfortunate that the Republicans (for the most part) haven't stood up to Bush, but being in the same party makes it somewhat more difficult. The Democrats don't owe him any kind of loyalty. Do you think Reid and Pelosi have been good leaders, or are there others who may have done a better job?
No, I think that both Pelosi and Reid have capitulated horribly. I think Pelosi erred by taking impeachment off the table, and Reid has allowed some terrible legislation to make it to the floor.
But this is the world the Republicans have made. I refuse to blame the Democrats for what Bush/Cheney/Boehner and the rest have done.
And by the way, party loyalty is hardly excuse when your party tortures.
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